"It felt like an unspoken request or comradely offer to chow down on mutual feelings of outrage, shame, and pity... I found that move memorably weird, like the conversation had been invaded by flying ActBlue spam."
Ugh, yes, this is very good language for it. Can relate.
Thanks for bringing this empathy war to our attention. I was not aware.
Yeah too woo - esp from the Christian right perspective. Don't know if you've seen but there has recently been a lot of noise in those circles about yoga as a portal for demons (key word: demon). Empaths surely welcome them as well which definitely knocks empathy down some serious notches. How did good old "compassion" fare in your research?
I mentioned the Theweleit books last night. Here's the other reference that this sparked. Probably paywalled, though I'm supposed to get free links. It directly supports your coordinated campaign insight. (Similarly, the Southern Baptist Church's position was somewhat positive on CRT for a couple of weeks until the word came down that it was going to be the issue du jour.)
My Insider Story of the “Focus on the Family” v. “Gay Rights” Culture War
Quoting: At Focus, I learned that evangelical leaders like Dr. Dobson considered the Republican party to be the political machine best equipped to endorse a Biblical worldview. In delighted harmony, Republican Party strategists salivated to win elections by securing the evangelical vote. Thus, a mutual agreement was formed. The plan became that evangelical leaders would introduce a “hot button” issue onto ballots at every local and state election. Evangelical ministries would provide “voting guides” to influence evangelicals to vote for the only correct “Christian” choice.
That is the gameplan. The evangelical "deal" with the Republican party has been on in one form or another since Reagan, but in today's very different "conservative" environment things have changed a lot. Say what you want about the Moral Majority but they were not explicitly white nationalist, or "dominionist" about secular power. The desire to use the state to inflict so-called Biblical values in undemocratic ways is pervasive today. Thanks for the link Alan!
I did a deep dive into the takeover of the SBC as part of a slow wandering WTF exploration that began when Trump won some of the upper Midwest states the first go round. Not sure what you're working on but it might be helpful.
Great stuff. Spinning off the telepathy section, I do think that the extremely popular noun form “empath” - as synonymous with “psychic” - has muddied the water of empathy and the affliction might be permanent. We might need a new word to get back to OG empathy. Karuna?
Interesting. Is it that "empath" is too woo? I'd say that's true, and unhelpful -- and I say that as someone who has a lot of natural empathy, even to my detriment!
Wow thanks for that! I have never heard of Cormac McCarthy's Whales and Men...Also this morning I was rereading Harold Beaver's introduction to the Penguin edition (1972) that he wrote notes for (and which also appear in the Folio edition). Super playful and esoteric: Masonry, Eliade, Gnosticism. Very worthwhile.
Gnostic Pulp is my current favorite Substack (I promise I’m not on the pay roll); always fun surprises there. I’ll check out Beaver’s intro! Break a leg in the class!
Empathy has been a right-wing target for quite some time, this is from 2009: https://omniorthogonal.blogspot.com/2009/05/do-androids-dream-of-electric-justice.html I was naive back then because I thought being anti-empathy would be a losing position, but it seems to have worked out quite well for the Republicans and is now part of the core of Trumpism.
Fascinating! I am not surprised -- I have come across some anti-empathy talk here or there but it makes sense it was picked up in the Obama years. One of the people in my Androids class shared an aspect of this critique. He was a longtime AA guy and he said that while there is some empathy when people come to a meeting, because you know they have suffered, it doesnt help to stay at that level, when what is called for is more of a tough love, get your shit together mode. Maybe a lot of it is context dependent...
Erik: In one of Sapolsky's lectures on Violence (and its Antidotes) he covers the child development research on theory of mind and when they first begin to show signs of empathy. What is two-edged about empathy is that the same power that helps Sally to love Schroeder helps Lucy to know Charlie Brown will try to kick the football. There is no inherent moral virtue to knowing how others are feeling.
Sociopaths, especially someone like Stalin, would have had the highest EQ in the Soviet, because he could just TELL who in the room might be disobedient and get rid of them before this adversary ever acted. True of social climbers of all kinds. https://youtu.be/8heSeatxgpg?si=c81O9vRtm9ugYEBT&t=4178
Yes there is not enough about the negative side of empathy and how it can allow for sociopathic degrees of manipulation. In the Androids discussion last night we pointed out parts in the novel where that is clear. The whole "mirror neuron" discourse a while back was a way of getting a biological handle on the stuff, and obviously the results are not always pretty of being a good mirror!
This is like quoting the definition of irony to explain all the ways that humor functions in human society. Definitions are not empirical nor ever complete representations of word usage.
My dictionary gives a couple of sentences to show usage plus a thesaurus, Wikipedia references, and more. As a former scientist turned author, I can say with confidence, that dictionaries define words and are useful. The article made up its own definition.
Wonderful essay. Thank you! Go Alembic!
Maybe I don’t know how to listen from the dry ground...
"It felt like an unspoken request or comradely offer to chow down on mutual feelings of outrage, shame, and pity... I found that move memorably weird, like the conversation had been invaded by flying ActBlue spam."
Ugh, yes, this is very good language for it. Can relate.
Thanks for bringing this empathy war to our attention. I was not aware.
Yeah too woo - esp from the Christian right perspective. Don't know if you've seen but there has recently been a lot of noise in those circles about yoga as a portal for demons (key word: demon). Empaths surely welcome them as well which definitely knocks empathy down some serious notches. How did good old "compassion" fare in your research?
I mentioned the Theweleit books last night. Here's the other reference that this sparked. Probably paywalled, though I'm supposed to get free links. It directly supports your coordinated campaign insight. (Similarly, the Southern Baptist Church's position was somewhat positive on CRT for a couple of weeks until the word came down that it was going to be the issue du jour.)
My Insider Story of the “Focus on the Family” v. “Gay Rights” Culture War
https://medium.com/gayoda/my-insider-story-of-the-focus-on-the-family-v-gay-rights-culture-war-a06f7798f65c
Quoting: At Focus, I learned that evangelical leaders like Dr. Dobson considered the Republican party to be the political machine best equipped to endorse a Biblical worldview. In delighted harmony, Republican Party strategists salivated to win elections by securing the evangelical vote. Thus, a mutual agreement was formed. The plan became that evangelical leaders would introduce a “hot button” issue onto ballots at every local and state election. Evangelical ministries would provide “voting guides” to influence evangelicals to vote for the only correct “Christian” choice.
That is the gameplan. The evangelical "deal" with the Republican party has been on in one form or another since Reagan, but in today's very different "conservative" environment things have changed a lot. Say what you want about the Moral Majority but they were not explicitly white nationalist, or "dominionist" about secular power. The desire to use the state to inflict so-called Biblical values in undemocratic ways is pervasive today. Thanks for the link Alan!
I did a deep dive into the takeover of the SBC as part of a slow wandering WTF exploration that began when Trump won some of the upper Midwest states the first go round. Not sure what you're working on but it might be helpful.
https://medium.com/@alantabor/baptist-betrayal-3a488e0ee7c5?sk=a29a7f8c94ed65fa5988f2862fb4408e
Great stuff. Spinning off the telepathy section, I do think that the extremely popular noun form “empath” - as synonymous with “psychic” - has muddied the water of empathy and the affliction might be permanent. We might need a new word to get back to OG empathy. Karuna?
Interesting. Is it that "empath" is too woo? I'd say that's true, and unhelpful -- and I say that as someone who has a lot of natural empathy, even to my detriment!
Very excited for the Moby-Dick class! I just read a great essay about The Whale & UFOs that might apply: https://substack.com/@gnosticpulp/p-170889870
Wow thanks for that! I have never heard of Cormac McCarthy's Whales and Men...Also this morning I was rereading Harold Beaver's introduction to the Penguin edition (1972) that he wrote notes for (and which also appear in the Folio edition). Super playful and esoteric: Masonry, Eliade, Gnosticism. Very worthwhile.
Gnostic Pulp is my current favorite Substack (I promise I’m not on the pay roll); always fun surprises there. I’ll check out Beaver’s intro! Break a leg in the class!
Empathy has been a right-wing target for quite some time, this is from 2009: https://omniorthogonal.blogspot.com/2009/05/do-androids-dream-of-electric-justice.html I was naive back then because I thought being anti-empathy would be a losing position, but it seems to have worked out quite well for the Republicans and is now part of the core of Trumpism.
Fascinating! I am not surprised -- I have come across some anti-empathy talk here or there but it makes sense it was picked up in the Obama years. One of the people in my Androids class shared an aspect of this critique. He was a longtime AA guy and he said that while there is some empathy when people come to a meeting, because you know they have suffered, it doesnt help to stay at that level, when what is called for is more of a tough love, get your shit together mode. Maybe a lot of it is context dependent...
Erik: In one of Sapolsky's lectures on Violence (and its Antidotes) he covers the child development research on theory of mind and when they first begin to show signs of empathy. What is two-edged about empathy is that the same power that helps Sally to love Schroeder helps Lucy to know Charlie Brown will try to kick the football. There is no inherent moral virtue to knowing how others are feeling.
Sociopaths, especially someone like Stalin, would have had the highest EQ in the Soviet, because he could just TELL who in the room might be disobedient and get rid of them before this adversary ever acted. True of social climbers of all kinds. https://youtu.be/8heSeatxgpg?si=c81O9vRtm9ugYEBT&t=4178
Yes there is not enough about the negative side of empathy and how it can allow for sociopathic degrees of manipulation. In the Androids discussion last night we pointed out parts in the novel where that is clear. The whole "mirror neuron" discourse a while back was a way of getting a biological handle on the stuff, and obviously the results are not always pretty of being a good mirror!
Same problem with cooperation--our so-called superpower. Chimps and humans can band together better than others, so ...we make war.
Why make it so complex? Here is what my dictionary says:
em·pa·thy | ˈempəTHē |
noun
the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
This is like quoting the definition of irony to explain all the ways that humor functions in human society. Definitions are not empirical nor ever complete representations of word usage.
My dictionary gives a couple of sentences to show usage plus a thesaurus, Wikipedia references, and more. As a former scientist turned author, I can say with confidence, that dictionaries define words and are useful. The article made up its own definition.